Concerns on Trisquel and the future of Linux

@jediwizard

The only option i know of is Hyperbola.

I heard that rust already has some problems with what it is marketed for.

I cannot say rust is always memory unsafe, but i think it is overhyped.

Point being though,

Hyperbola.info has the only distro that is worth using that has no rust.

Most other distros will have it though. This is alas a fact.

Do with this information what you will.

if you need encrypted install for hyperbola, check the forum guides, this one is the best option:

https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic.php?id=933

But this question you pose, probably should be in free software talk

GNU Guix also uses Rust, they have a Rust team,
but probably they use a different version, or a self-made-version of Rust. I don´t know.

@jediwizard please read https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Linux .

Are there any problems with Rust, except trademark restrictions?

What I'd like Rust to have is a convincing commitment to free software and display of good core values. A good status quo is not enough if you consider future updates of all those linux-based devices. Nothing is stopping them from including "just a little bit" of BLOBS in their next releases or from distributing under a different (non-free) license. The linux kernel at least says it's commited to the "public benefit" and the Linux Foundation tries to drive "open hardware" and other projects forward (yes I know open is not free and that linux itself is flawed). Rust on the other hand advertises with "performance", "reliability" and "productivity" and is run by corporations. It's clear that there is a lot of corporate money involved and if corporations give you something for "free" you should at least take it with a grain of salt.

You could say the same thing about the Linux kernel, or systemd, or wayland, or others like certain file systems. They are backed by corporations, they are marketed for their speed, performance and reliability.
The difference here is that the Linux Foundation (manages the Linux kernel organization) puts Open Software/Hardware/Standards/Data on their front page. While they do also advertise utility and are backed by corporations (and open is not libre) they put reasonable values out to the public. This makes a big difference in my opinion because once an organization is committed to those values in the public eye they can't go back on these things so easily. Just think about the case of DRM in the Firefox browser - there was a huge backlash. You don't see anything like that on the frontpage of Rust's website.

We need a Rust-To-C project for the Linux kernel.

Hyperbola does have a lot of problems removed or not even included in the first place, but I do not know how I can help much on that forum as

https://web.archive.org/web/20251127053912/https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic.php?pid=8676#p8676

http://web.archive.org/web/20251127195740/https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic.php?pid=8678#p8678

http://web.archive.org/web/20251128185804/https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic.php?pid=8681#p8681

shows in part (please read in full as I do not wish to have anyone think I'm taking things out of context) that

With the greatest respect given, we do not make notes on religious beliefs as they are private. If you want to share them open, please choose a different place therefore as this forum is marked not for any direction. And I would need to react exactly the same with every other quote from religious contexts

John 12:42-23 shows

42. Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

43. For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Romans 1:16 shows

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

2 Timothy 1:8 shows

8. Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

Matthew 22:37-40 shows

37. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38. This is the first and great commandment.
39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Matthew 28:18-20 shows

18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Colossians 3:23 shows

23. And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

1 John 4 shows

1. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7. Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
14. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
16. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
17. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
18. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
19. We love him, because he first loved us.
20. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21. And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

So all my posts and things I do I hope will be pleasing to God and likely will contain Bible verses publicly shown everywhere so as to tell why I do what I do.

1 Peter 3:15 shows

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

I wish to show my love for others by showing how God loves, and even though I fail to do so as I'm not perfect (for only God is perfect) I still hope to give an answer for the reason of the hope that is in me.

John 18:20 shows

Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 shows

Abstain from all appearance of evil.

I wish to have what I have done under a libre license (and to share source with them to not have the appearance of evil) because if it is good

James 1:17 shows

17. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

and

1 Peter 4:10 shows

10. As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

If it is not good than it is me to blame and needs to be under a license that lets anyone correct the wrongs I have done.

Good things come from God. If it is good than anyone should be able to share it and change it to do what good things are needed where they are.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." I would not wish for anyone to tell me in a license to do evil, and thus do not wish to put my things under a license telling others to do what they think is evil. Or preventing changes/making it hard to change a program to make people run things they think are evil.

John 3:16-21 shows

16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Matthew 10:8 shows

Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

So as God have given me all that I have, I wish to help support libre software, and other things that are for doing good. I hope I have helped others with the posts I made and am sorry if any have caused problems. These are some of the reasons I do not wish for my things to be under non-libre licenses, patents, and/or trademarks that restrict changes.

I and anyone can learn about true freedom in Jesus Christ by looking at the King James Bible in print, or by using libre licensed programs like Wide Margin, verse, the many other libre software bible programs in Trisquel's repository, or downloading a PDF bible from sites like

https://archive.org/details/king-james-bible-pure-cambridge-edition

For PDF readers

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/10

For text readers

or many other places for many other types of readers.

https://librivox.org/bible-complete-king-james-version/

Also has public domain audio of it. So no one need to think they must use non-libre software to read or be read to.

It's like this everywhere in all the linux related chat rooms,(and web forums) people post nonsense and are unresponsive to real people trying to talk to each other, except to condemn them, and give them negative reinforcement for attempting to communicate with others. (oh, and they report/ban them, and gang up on them)

It's a real free soft*war

(just wait until you learn about the mac address and your isp!)

Let me guess your religion is x86

(that explains alot)

I saw in

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/concerns-trisquel-and-future-linux#comment-181988

Hyperbola.info has the only distro that is worth using that has no rust.

and in

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/concerns-trisquel-and-future-linux#comment-182017

If you want to get away from all that then you should be using the Hyperbola GNU/Linux distro, which is transitioning to using a new BSD kernel that the Hyperbola devs have been stripping of all such corporatized entanglements (including Rust).

So if anyone wishes to use an operating system without the rust trademark or some other things hyperbola may work. There may be some others as well, but less developed.

I in

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/concerns-trisquel-and-future-linux#comment-182036

was mostly explaining why it could be hard for me to post help for people wishing to use hyperbola at the hyperbola forum as it may not be easy to share my reasons why I think the way I do about any program or why I support libre software without also posting Bible verses that help show why and how I do or do not support something.

Maybe a forum topic of "why each person may support libre things" may have been more related to the post I was doing. Each person could than type why they support libre things there instead.

Hyperbola may work well for those who wish to use it, like Trisquel also at this time does, for those who wish to use it.

Or maybe a libre software site talking about many distros instead of a forum for mostly just one, like this Trisquel one, could be a place to type about libre software development of many kinds and why people think the way they do.

https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Main_Page

looks like one, but mostly a wiki for what is, not a social network site about all libre things and to have a large collaboration to develop libre culture.

I do not know a large collaboration site or federation like thing to develop libre things by many people who may wish to develop things in many diferent ways.

The closest thing I know is just the internet itself, not a site. That is a mix of many copyright, copyleft, and everywhere in-between.

https://wiki.osdev.org/Expanded_Main_Page

has some somewhat libre licensed projects and info at

https://wiki.osdev.org/Projects

but I think most are not under active development except maybe SerenityOS. Maybe some more are.

SerenityOS is mostly under a BSD like 2-clause license, but I do not now about blobs and non-libre licenses that also may be in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genode

is under an odd mix of "AGPL-3.0-only and commercial" license, and maybe a genode license, but I think that also may have blobs and/or non-libre licensed things in it.

Last and maybe least there is also these 4 I know about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS

https://github.com/cia-foundation/TempleOS

https://github.com/Zeal-Operating-System/ZealOS

https://github.com/tinkeros/TinkerOS

but like I typed about in

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/i-believe-copyleft-harmful-free-culture-movement#comment-176233

these may have cussing, blasphemy, inaccurate information about the Bible, as well many other many other problems. As well as trying to force verses to fit in areas of TempleOS that may make no sense according to how "scripture cannot be broken" so all scripture should be used in ways that are according to how the scriptures show they should be use. Otherwise we could remember how even the devil misuses some of it by using only parts of it.

That reminds me of how in a Peanuts movie someone thought Christmas gifts had to be given to her because the word "sister" was in the Bible. Too broad a use there. And part of the movie joke, I think.

But for those looking to avoid rust or other problems may still be able to hard fork the linux or linux-libre kernel to remove things they do not wish to use or have.

There may also be other distros that could be forked than just Gnu/Linux, Gnu/Hurd, and BSD based.

But these may not work as well at this time like Gnu/Linux or BSD based ones work at this time.

Because things like copyright, patents, trademarks, licenses, and other things are enforced we do sometimes get nice things like protecting continued development with source code of things through strong copyleft, but also non-libre things get enforced in court as well.

The https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html

is ongoing, though it is odd how we got to the point of needing/wishing to defend free speech and the right of people to use what they use how they wish to use it in court.